I agree. If there is stored pollen left in the hive, then you can be sure they were not starved for it. No point in killing bees.
Also keep in mind, Randy Oliver doesn't keep bees in Wisconsin, or anywhere like it. Everything in beekeeping is local.
Joe
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-------- Original message --------From: marvin <marvin...@gmail.com>Date: 10/29/20 19:25 (GMT-06:00)To: madbees <mad...@googlegroups.com>Subject: [madbees] Re: Winter bees
Kind of a meaningless test, don't you think? What would you do different one way or another? It's not like ragweed and aster pollen (among others) is in short supply in WIsconsin.--
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Why would you wait until December to put the sugar on the hives. Wouldn't you be having to open the top of the hive when the outside temp is below 50. Just curious?
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Farrar made a huge point of the requirement for serious pollen stores (in the form of beebread) in the hive in order for a colony to be able to maintain broodrearing in late winter. But let me share something that I observed when I was crushing worker bee samples to track the fate of consumed pollen sub (labeled with fluorescent pigment) [13]. During the summer, only a fraction of the workers—the nurse bees—had any pollen in their guts. But to my surprise, when I took samples in November every danged worker was chock full of pollen (Fig. 3).
Anyway, as pointed out by Dr. Kirk Anderson, the most secure place for bees to store pollen may be within their bodies. Interestingly, the pollen in the guts of the bees above was mostly in their hindguts (rectums), and consisted largely of pollen exines from which the innards had already been digested in the midgut. My question then is whether what I observed was simply the result of all the bees in the hive consisting of “winter bees” that were temporarily gorging on whatever pollen they could consume, or whether there is nutritional benefit to the bees from holding digested pollen in their hindguts for an extended period of time.
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